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03/30/2018 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE

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+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HB 384 REGULATORY COMM OF AK; BROADBAND INTERNET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+= HB 230 TELECOMMUNICATIONS & INTERNET PRIVACY TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 15 E-CIGS/TOBACCO/NICOTINE & MINORS; SALES TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS CSSB 15(L&C) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
+= SB 165 COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 165 Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
+= SB 45 EXEMPTION: LICENSING OF CONTRACTORS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 45(FIN) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                 
           HOUSE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                        
                          March 30, 2018                                                                                        
                            3:24 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sam Kito, Chair                                                                                                  
Representative Adam Wool, Vice Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                    
Representative Chris Birch                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gary Knopp                                                                                                       
Representative Colleen Sullivan-Leonard                                                                                         
Representative Mike Chenault (alternate)                                                                                        
Representative Bryce Edgmon (alternate)                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 15(FIN)                                                                                                  
"An Act relating  to possession of an  electronic smoking product                                                               
or a  product containing nicotine  by a  minor and to  selling or                                                               
giving  a product  containing nicotine  or an  electronic smoking                                                               
product to a minor; relating  to business license endorsements to                                                               
sell  cigarettes, cigars,  tobacco, products  containing tobacco,                                                               
electronic  smoking products,  or  products containing  nicotine;                                                               
and  relating  to  citations   for  certain  offenses  concerning                                                               
tobacco,  products  containing  nicotine, or  electronic  smoking                                                               
products."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HCS CSSB 15(L&C) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 45(FIN)                                                                                                  
"An  Act  relating  to  an   exemption  from  the  regulation  of                                                               
construction contractors."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSB 45(FIN) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 384                                                                                                              
"An  Act relating  to  the Regulatory  Commission  of Alaska  and                                                               
broadband Internet regulations."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 230                                                                                                              
"An Act  relating to  the collection  of customer  information by                                                               
telecommunications   and   Internet    service   providers;   and                                                               
establishing  an unfair  trade practice  under the  Alaska Unfair                                                               
Trade Practices and Consumer Protection Act."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 165                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to the Alaska comprehensive health insurance                                                                   
fund; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SB 165 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  15                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: E-CIGS/TOBACCO/NICOTINE & MINORS; SALES                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) STEVENS                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
01/18/17       (S)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/13/17                                                                               

01/18/17 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS

01/18/17 (S) L&C, JUD 02/14/17 (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg) 02/14/17 (S) Heard & Held 02/14/17 (S) MINUTE(L&C) 02/21/17 (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg) 02/21/17 (S) Heard & Held 02/21/17 (S) MINUTE(L&C) 02/28/17 (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg) 02/28/17 (S) <Bill Hearing Canceled> 03/02/17 (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg) 03/02/17 (S) Moved CSSB 15(L&C) Out of Committee 03/02/17 (S) MINUTE(L&C) 03/06/17 (S) L&C RPT CS 4DP NEW TITLE 03/06/17 (S) DP: COSTELLO, HUGHES, MEYER, GARDNER 03/27/17 (S) JUD AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg) 03/27/17 (S) Heard & Held 03/27/17 (S) MINUTE(JUD) 03/29/17 (S) JUD AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg) 03/29/17 (S) <Bill Hearing Canceled> 04/03/17 (S) JUD AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg) 04/03/17 (S) Heard & Held 04/03/17 (S) MINUTE(JUD) 04/05/17 (S) JUD AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg) 04/05/17 (S) Heard & Held 04/05/17 (S) MINUTE(JUD) 04/07/17 (S) JUD AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg) 04/07/17 (S) Moved CSSB 15(JUD) Out of Committee 04/07/17 (S) MINUTE(JUD) 04/10/17 (S) JUD RPT CS 3DP 1NR 1AM NEW TITLE 04/10/17 (S) NR: COGHILL 04/10/17 (S) DP: WIELECHOWSKI, KELLY, COSTELLO 04/10/17 (S) AM: MEYER 04/10/17 (S) FIN REFERRAL ADDED AFTER JUD 02/16/18 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532 02/16/18 (S) Heard & Held 02/16/18 (S) MINUTE(FIN) 02/28/18 (S) FIN RPT CS 6DP 1NR NEW TITLE 02/28/18 (S) DP: HOFFMAN, MACKINNON, BISHOP, VON IMHOF, STEVENS, MICCICHE 02/28/18 (S) NR: OLSON 02/28/18 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532 02/28/18 (S) Moved CSSB 15(FIN) Out of Committee 02/28/18 (S) MINUTE(FIN) 03/08/18 (S) TRANSMITTED TO (H) 03/08/18 (S) VERSION: CSSB 15(FIN) 03/09/18 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS 03/09/18 (H) L&C, FIN 03/21/18 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 03/21/18 (H) -- MEETING CANCELED -- 03/23/18 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 03/23/18 (H) -- MEETING CANCELED -- 03/28/18 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 03/28/18 (H) Heard & Held 03/28/18 (H) MINUTE(L&C) 03/30/18 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 BILL: SB 45 SHORT TITLE: EXEMPTION: LICENSING OF CONTRACTORS SPONSOR(s): LABOR & COMMERCE 02/01/17 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS 02/01/17 (S) L&C, FIN 02/07/17 (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg) 02/07/17 (S) Heard & Held 02/07/17 (S) MINUTE(L&C) 02/28/17 (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg) 02/28/17 (S) Moved SB 45 Out of Committee 02/28/17 (S) MINUTE(L&C) 03/01/17 (S) L&C RPT 1DP 4NR 03/01/17 (S) DP: COSTELLO 03/01/17 (S) NR: HUGHES, MEYER, STEVENS, GARDNER 04/07/17 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532 04/07/17 (S) Heard & Held 04/07/17 (S) MINUTE(FIN) 04/11/17 (S) FIN AT 1:30 PM SENATE FINANCE 532 04/11/17 (S) Moved CSSB 45(FIN) Out of Committee 04/11/17 (S) MINUTE(FIN) 04/12/17 (S) FIN RPT CS 5DP 1NR SAME TITLE 04/12/17 (S) DP: HOFFMAN, MACKINNON, BISHOP, VON IMHOF, MICCICHE 04/12/17 (S) NR: OLSON 04/15/17 (S) TRANSMITTED TO (H) 04/15/17 (S) VERSION: CSSB 45(FIN) 04/16/17 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS 04/16/17 (H) L&C 03/23/18 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 03/23/18 (H) -- MEETING CANCELED -- 03/26/18 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 03/26/18 (H) Heard & Held 03/26/18 (H) MINUTE(L&C) 03/30/18 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 BILL: HB 384 SHORT TITLE: REGULATORY COMM OF AK; BROADBAND INTERNET SPONSOR(s): GUTTENBERG 02/21/18 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS 02/21/18 (H) L&C, FIN 03/30/18 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 BILL: HB 230 SHORT TITLE: TELECOMMUNICATIONS & INTERNET PRIVACY SPONSOR(s): DRUMMOND 04/15/17 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS 04/15/17 (H) L&C, JUD 05/01/17 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 05/01/17 (H) Heard & Held 05/01/17 (H) MINUTE(L&C) 03/30/18 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 BILL: SB 165 SHORT TITLE: COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) MACKINNON

01/26/18 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS

01/26/18 (S) L&C, FIN 02/22/18 (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg) 02/22/18 (S) Moved SB 165 Out of Committee 02/22/18 (S) MINUTE(L&C) 02/26/18 (S) L&C RPT 5DP 02/26/18 (S) DP: COSTELLO, STEVENS, MICCICHE, MEYER, GARDNER 02/27/18 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532 02/27/18 (S) Heard & Held 02/27/18 (S) MINUTE(FIN) 02/28/18 (S) FIN RPT 6DP 1NR 02/28/18 (S) DP: HOFFMAN, MACKINNON, BISHOP, VON IMHOF, STEVENS, MICCICHE 02/28/18 (S) NR: OLSON 02/28/18 (S) FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532 02/28/18 (S) Moved SB 165 Out of Committee 02/28/18 (S) MINUTE(FIN) 03/05/18 (S) TRANSMITTED TO (H) 03/05/18 (S) VERSION: SB 165 03/07/18 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS 03/07/18 (H) L&C, FIN 03/21/18 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 03/21/18 (H) -- MEETING CANCELED -- 03/23/18 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 03/23/18 (H) -- MEETING CANCELED -- 03/26/18 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124 03/3018 (H) L&C at 3:24 PM BARNES 124 WITNESS REGISTER KATIE STEFFENS Anchorage, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 15. JOE DARNELL Division of Behavioral Health Department of Health and Social Services (DHSS) Anchorage, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions in the hearing on SB 15. JAMES SQUYRES Rural Deltana, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 45. NATASHA MCCLANAHAN, Staff Senator Mia Costello Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Reintroduced SB 165 on behalf of Senator Costello, prime sponsor. REPRESENTATIVE DAVID GUTTENBERG Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Presented HB 384 as prime sponsor. RICH GAZAWAY, Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA) Anchorage, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in the hearing on HB 384. STEPHEN MCALPINE, Commissioner, Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA) Anchorage, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions in the hearing on HB 384. PATRICK FITZGERALD, Staff Representative Harriet Drummond Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Reintroduced HB 230 on behalf of Representative Drummond, prime sponsor. REPRESENTATIVE HARRIET DRUMMOND Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Reintroduced HB 230 as prime sponsor. ACTION NARRATIVE 3:24:48 PM CHAIR SAM KITO called the House Labor and Commerce Standing Committee meeting to order at 3:24 p.m. Representatives Stutes, Birch, Wool, Josephson, and Kito were present at the call to order. SB 15-E-CIGS/TOBACCO/NICOTINE & MINORS; SALES 3:25:42 PM CHAIR KITO announced that the first order of business would be SENATE BILL NO. 15, "An Act relating to possession of an electronic smoking product or a product containing nicotine by a minor and to selling or giving an electronic smoking product to a minor; relating to business license endorsements to sell cigarettes, cigars, tobacco, products containing tobacco, electronic smoking products, or products containing nicotine; and relating to citations for certain offenses concerning tobacco or nicotine products." CHAIR KITO announced that public testimony was still open from the previous hearing. 3:26:56 PM KATIE STEFFENS testified in support of SB 15. She described the particulate matter emanating from vaping devices. She stated she thinks it is important to keep these products out of the hands of minors. REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked how many tickets are going out to kids for having e-cigarettes. 3:30:08 PM JOE DARNELL, Division of Behavioral Health, Department of Health and Social Services (DHSS), answered questions in the hearing on SB 15. He stated people cannot be cited for using vape products which was the aim of the proposed bill. 3:30:49 PM CHAIR KITO closed public testimony. 3:31:02 PM REPRESENTATIVE WOOL moved to report CS for SB 15 out of committee with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes. There being no objection, it was so ordered. 3:31:26 PM The committee took an at-ease from 3:31 p.m. to 3:32 p.m. SB 165-COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND 3:32:46 PM CHAIR KITO announced that the next order of business would be SENATE BILL NO. 165, "An Act relating to the Alaska comprehensive health insurance fund; and providing for an effective date." 3:33:29 PM CHAIR KITO stated that public testimony was still open from the previous hearing. Upon ascertaining that no one was available to testify, he closed public testimony on SB 165. 3:34:03 PM REPRESENTATIVE WOOL moved to report SB 165 out of committee with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes. There being no objection, it was so ordered. 3:34:24 PM The committee took an at-ease from 3:34 p.m. to 3:34 p.m. SB 45-EXEMPTION: LICENSING OF CONTRACTORS 3:34:29 PM CHAIR KITO announced that the next order of business would be SENATE BILL NO. 45, "An Act relating to an exemption from the regulation of construction contractors." CHAIR KITO said public testimony was still open on SB 45 from the previous hearing. 3:36:40 PM JAMES SQUYRES testified in opposition of SB 45. He paraphrased from his written statement. He mentioned the bill had been presented in several legislative sessions without success. He questioned the validity of the committee bill. 3:39:36 PM REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked about the changes to the bill through the years. 3:39:55 PM NATASHA MCCLANAHAN, Staff, Senator Mia Costello, Alaska State Legislature, reintroduced SB 165 on behalf of Senator Costello, prime sponsor. She answered there had been changes but that she did not have the bill history before her. She stated she would provide the information to the committee. REPRESENTATIVE STUTES surmised that all the bill does is require the builder to provide information on the home after two years. MS. MCCLANAHAN answered in the affirmative. REPRESENTATIVE STUTES asked why two years was established as the limit. CHAIR KITO said it was the minimal amount of time required to build a house for personal use. He said it was thought that multiple properties built in two years indicated competition with licensed contractors. REPRESENTATIVE STUTES suggested the proposal would not preclude the builder needing to get the appropriate permits. MS. MCCLANAHAN clarified the proposed bill would apply to owner builders and not to licensed contractors. REPRESENTATIVE STUTES surmised the proposed bill would not preclude the individual from getting the permits required by a contractor. MS. MCCLANAHAN deferred to the department. CHAIR KITO answered that it does not preclude the local authority from requiring the appropriate permits. REPRESENTATIVE WOOL said he remembered that earlier iterations of the bill required anyone building within two years to get a contractor's license. MS. MCCLANAHAN answered that the requirement is not in the proposed legislation. 3:42:57 PM CHAIR KITO closed public testimony on SB 45. 3:43:23 PM REPRESENTATIVE WOOL moved to report SB 45 out of committee with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes. There being no objection, it was so ordered. 3:43:42 PM The committee took an at-ease from 3:43 p.m. to 3:46 p.m. HB 384-REGULATORY COMM OF AK; BROADBAND INTERNET 3:46:01 PM CHAIR KITO announced that the next order of business would be HOUSE BILL NO. 384, "An Act relating to the Regulatory Commission of Alaska and broadband Internet regulations." 3:46:12 PM REPRESENTATIVE DAVID GUTTENBERG, Alaska State Legislature, presented HB 384 as prime sponsor. He stated that the proposed bill represents a conflict that needs to be remediated or corrected. He said it is not clear which entity in the state is responsible for broadband. He read the definition in statute of telecommunications from AS 42.05.990(13), which reads as follows: (13) "telecommunications" means the transmission and reception of messages, impressions, pictures, and signals by means of electricity, electromagnetic waves, and any other kind of energy, force variations, or impulses whether conveyed by cable, wire, radiated through space, or transmitted through other media within a specified area or between designated points. REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG said the entities cannot establish amongst themselves who has jurisdiction on broadband internet access. He said the FCC says they don't have responsibly of any kind. He stated the RCA says it does not have authority. He said he thinks someone in the state should have authority. He added that there is no entity for consumer complaints or information. REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG spoke to the issue of mapping. He said his district appears on maps to have fast speeds, but it does not. He said he has spoken to the Department of Administration (DOA) about increasing access to the state's broadband and they also say it is not their role. He stated he thinks the RCA is the appropriate entity to oversee broadband in the state. 3:53:36 PM REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH stated his opposition to the bill, comparing it to the debate over Uber services in the previous year. He said he thinks it is a federal issue. 3:55:00 PM REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG answered the FCC has exclusive remedy to regulate, so the state would not have the ability to regulate [broadband] like a utility. He said there are things that the state can do, such as mapping. He said there is no one that could provide consumer protection. He added there are thing the FCC doesn't do, but which are not covered by an entity in the state. He said the consumers need an avenue and the FCC isn't it. He said it's up to the states. He pointed to service in the denser areas. He stated the FCC has a "hands-off" position and the state isn't providing the information. He said he does not think the [ISPs] are doing anything illegal, just looking after their business plan. He said the state has no one looking after its interests. He reiterated that he thinks the RCA is the right entity. REPRESENTATIVE STUTES asked if the proposed bill mirrors the net neutrality bill. REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG answered it does not. He said, if you don't have broadband, net neutrality isn't an issue." He said the proposed bill attempts to ensure that people have internet access. 4:00:08 PM REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked what the RCA position is. CHAIR KITO stated that representatives from the RCA would be testifying. He asked about the change Representative Guttenberg would make to the statute. REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG said that under the existing statute defining telecommunications, RCA says they don't have authority to regulate the service. He said the legal opinion is that the RCA does have authority. CHAIR KITO asked whether Representative Guttenberg was anticipating that the RCA will field complaints against the entities even if the entities are not regulated by the RCA. REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG said he is defining that RCA is covering this. CHAIR KITO asked what Representative Guttenberg wants the RCA to cover. REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG said he would like to see examples of where the state could be more competitive. He remarked there is limited competition in the state. He said the amount of money coming into the ISP carriers now prevents a lot of competition from happening. He said he thinks there are places where competition can be promoted. CHAIR KITO said he was trying to understand how the bill as it is written would institute the change for the RCA to regulate the industry. He asked said it does not seem that the RCA would be able to be proactive to increase broadband when that hasn't been their role with other utilities. 4:05:43 PM REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG said the FCC has preempted regulation by the state. He said the proposed bill would just put internet and broadband under their purview. REPRESENTATIVE STUTES asked for definitions of "they" and "it" in the context of the proposed bill. REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG answered that the FCC (they) is the only entity that can regulate broadband (it) and internet. He said the RCA can do things inside the state that the FCC is not doing. 4:08:34 PM RICH GAZAWAY, Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA) Anchorage, Alaska, testified in the hearing on HB 384. He indicated he was testifying with Stephen McAlpine and David Parrish of the common carrier section. CHAIR KITO asked what the RCA would be eligible or prepared to do with respect to broadband internet. MR. GAZAWAY said that the RCA has never proclaimed that it has no jurisdiction over broadband whatsoever. He informed that the federal government has precluded much of the RCA's activity in the internet market. He said the RCA cannot impose a regulatory cost charge (RCC). He added that under the Net Neutrality order it has been further limited so that the RCA cannot require non- discriminatory access. He stated there is an informational docket open requesting information regarding broadband networks, and the RCA was told by carriers that it cannot ask for that information. He informed that any network carrying interstate service can fall under the RCA's jurisdiction. He acknowledged that the RCA does not have rate oversight jurisdiction. 4:11:03 PM REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH referred to a Legal Service memorandum stating that with the proposed bill, the RCA will still not be able to regulate any area that is preempted by federal law and any attempt by the RCA to reinstate that the FCC intends to preempt by the order would likely be unconstitutional. He shared his concern about the state attempting to define Alaska as a unique market and thereby compromise competition. MR. GAZAWAY asked whether the question is whether he agrees with the legal opinion. REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH said he is concerned about defining Alaska as different from the other 49 states. MR. GAZAWAY said the jurisdictional oversight refers to the telecommunications industry. He added there was no oversight on other entities. He said, "they are subsidized while other ISPs are not." He said there were federally funded performance grants. 4:14:34 PM REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked Mr. Gazaway whether he agrees whether broadband falls under the definition of telecommunications that has been presented. MR. GAZAWAY clarified that as staff his opinion is not binding on the commission, but he agrees. 4:15:23 PM STEPHEN MCALPINE, Commissioner, Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA), answered questions in the hearing on HB 384. He pointed out that it has been stated that the RCA is "totally preemptive." He said there are varying opinions. He said that by putting it in statute, it can only clarify that which has some doubt. REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked about voice over internet protocol (VOIP) regulation. MR. GAZAWAY answered that VOIP is not regulated by the RCA. He said payment expectations can be imposed, but states all have a different approach. He mentioned that some states have sued over the issue and there has never been a proclamation from the FCC either way. 4:17:13 PM CHAIR KITO opened public testimony on HB 384. 4:17:36 PM REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG pointed to a sheet of paper that helps see what other states have done with broadband. He spoke to a 2008 broadband taskforce report. He said it states there needs to be an entity that regulates broadband, and Alaska has none. He mentioned the universal service fund. He suggested those funds could be used for grants. He opined that Alaska, with its distances and lack of infrastructure, has to do something to promote access to broadband. 4:20:03 PM CHAIR KITO held over HB 384. HB 230-TELECOMMUNICATIONS & INTERNET PRIVACY 4:20:23 PM CHAIR KITO announced that the final order of business would be HOUSE BILL NO. 230, "An Act relating to the collection of customer information by telecommunications and Internet service providers; and establishing an unfair trade practice under the Alaska Unfair Trade Practices and Consumer Protection Act." 4:20:36 PM PATRICK FITZGERALD, Staff, Representative Harriet Drummond, Alaska State Legislature, reintroduced HB 230 on behalf of Representative Drummond, prime sponsor. He paraphrased the sponsor statement which reads as follows [original punctuation provided]: House Bill 230 restricts any telecommunication service or internet service provider from collecting personal information of a private customer without the consent of the customer to protect the privacy and individual liberty of every Alaskan. Alaska is one of the most independent states in the Union which is reflected by the citizens who live here. In a time of the most technologically advanced society, Alaskans pride themselves on independence, individual liberty and privacy. HB230 will protect privacy of Alaskans' personal information stored on a cyber based utility. Cell phones, computers, laptops and tablets are all modern tools with which private citizens are able to conduct commerce and trade. Online shopping and bill paying have become very popular with easy accessibility to businesses and providers. Many of these devices have the capability to retain memory of any account number, social security number, credit card information, medical information and online purchases. Passing HB 230 will put into law that telecommunication companies and internet service providers must be given consent by the user of any service or device before selling, trading, or gifting information entered by a private citizen. HB230 prevents discrimination of users who decline to allow the sharing of personal information by telecommunication companies and internet service providers. HB230 simply restricts large companies from selling information of a private citizen to the highest bidder without the consent of the user. Passing HB230 will assure users of cyber connected devices that no information is collected without the express written consent of the user. HB230 keeps Alaskans' information private, preserving the individual liberty and independence of every Alaskan. 4:22:01 PM REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH shared his concern about unintended consequences with the proposed bill. MR. FITZGERALD emphasized that the aim is not to accuse any Alaska ISP of acting in the way described in the bill. He stated the interest is in putting something in place in the absence of federal law. REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH said that it strikes him there is a presumption of guilt. 4:25:49 PM REPRESENTATIVE WOOL said he wonders how the effects of the bill "will play out." MR. FITZGERALD answered that ISPs have contracts. He said that if ISPs are found to be selling information without consent, the bill would provide for civil recourse. REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked whether the behavior is occurring currently. MR. FITZGERALD answered the legislation was suggested by the Council of State Governments in reaction to the roll-back of federal legislation. REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked whether the proposed bill is preemptive. 4:31:26 PM REPRESENTATIVE HARRIET DRUMMOND, Alaska State Legislature, reintroduced HB 230 as prime sponsor. She answered that the proposed bill does not have anything to do with net neutrality. She described the legislative internet offering in the Capitol Building. She said the bill would pertain to business and resident internet contracts. CHAIR KITO asked whether Alaska ISPs are not currently treating consumers with respect. REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND answered the proposed bill is preemptive. CHAIR KITO noted there is a penalty section in the bill. He asked what the penalty is for violation of the provision. MR. FITZGERALD shared his understanding that penalties would be established by the department governing the issue. CHAIR KITO asked to receive information on penalties. 4:35:38 PM CHAIR KITO stated that public testimony is still open. Upon ascertaining that no one was available to testify, he closed public testimony on HB 230. 4:36:05 PM REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH stated he does not support the proposed bill. 4:37:06 PM REPRESENTATIVE WOOL said he would like to have more information on the proposed bill. CHAIR KITO held over HB 230. 4:38:41 PM ADJOURNMENT There being no further business before the committee, the House Labor and Commerce Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 4:38 p.m.

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB015 Letter of Support 3.30.18.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
SB 15
HB230 Supporting Document ACLU.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
HB 230
HB384 Supporting Document FCC Commissioner Pai Alaska Plan Dissent 3.28.18.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
HB 384
HB384 Supporting Document FCC Commissioner Rosenworcel on New National Broadband Map 3.28.18.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
HB 384
HB384 Supporting Document NCSL List of State Broadband Statutes.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
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HB384 Supporting Document RCA Enabling Statutes 3.28.18.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
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HB384 Ver A.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
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HB384 Fiscal Note DCCED RCA 3.23.18.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
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HB384 Legal Memo 3.28.18.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
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HB384 Sponsor Statement 3.28.18.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
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SB045 Opposition Document - Zoning, Land-use Planning, and Housing Affordability.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
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HB384 Supporting Document Restoring Internet Freedom Jurisdictional Excerpt 3.28.18.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
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HB384 Opposition Letters 3.30.18.pdf HL&C 3/30/2018 3:15:00 PM
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